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Minutes of August 15, 2003 SLAA Business Meeting

Present are: DaveofMA, Marabel, Osiyeza, Steve, TimF, Vicki, JohnC, Syncrolyx=Rob, Laron, Jamie-s, Ubergoober=Glenn, Deanna, hhope=Becky, and Debbie.

Meeting begins at 10:04 PM EST with announcements.

A. We would like to welcome our new operators since 6/15/02 -- bringing us to 77 operators: Dansken=Björn (6/19); sisterjam=Jameela (7/7); Jamie-S=Jamie (7/21); RennyD=Renny (7/25); JC=John (7/27), NoAngel=Angelique (7/31), touchstone=Gina (8/11), and Syncrolynx=Rob (pending).

B. A new “Anorexia Meeting” begins Friday, August 22nd -- it will then be every Friday at 10pm ET in #SLAA2, concurrent with the regular Feedback Meeting in #SLAA. The contact people will be: JC=John and Syncrolynx=Rob.

C. Two operators' email accounts are “bouncing” because of being too full (Bri and DougN). One operators' email account is“bouncing” because it is no longer accurate (Dave). If you see any of these three operators, please let them know. They may email slaaonline@yahoo.com with any updated information.

D. There are a number of upcoming SLAA conferences or retreats:
Fri-05-Sep-03 Seattle SLAA 5th Annual Healing Retreat - Seattle WA - 206-583-0848
Fri-03-Oct-03 12-Step Weekend Retreat (3 days) - Chester VT - 617-625-7961
Fri-10-Oct-03 2003 International Recovery Convention (3 days) - Clearwater FL - 727-896-SLAA
Fri-19-Dec-03 12-Step Weekend Retreat (3 days) - Chester VT - 617-625-7961
Please let us know if you know of any we have missed.

E. The #SLAA Online Group has closed voting for the five officer positions June 30th. VJ=Vicki is the new Chairperson, hhope=Becky is the new Co-Chairperson, Marabel is the new Secretary, TimF=Tim is the new Webmaster, and Steve is the new Co-Webmaster.

F. The “Website Review Committee” was formed in June and currently includes VJ=Vicki, Marabel, Cathy, sisterjam=Jameela, TimF=Tim, and ChrisT=Chris. If anyone is interested, please email slaaonline@yahoo.com to express an interest. This committee is open to anyone with a desire; you do not have to be an operator to join.

G. The “Speakers Committee” was formed in February and currently includes Carrie, Steve, Ubergoober=Glenn, and TimF=Tim. If anyone is interested, please email slaaonline@yahoo.com to express an interest. This committee is open to anyone with a desire; you do not have to be an operator to join.

H. The “Openletter Committee” was formed in January and currently includes Osiyeza=Camille, Marabel, and Steve. If anyone is interested, please email slaaonline@yahoo.com to express an interest. This committee is open to anyone with a desire; you do not have to be an operator to join.

I. During the last year, TimF sent reminders via email to all operators about business meetings a couple days in advance. VJ=Vicki will usually be doing this in the coming year. Some operators have their email program's security settings adjusted to ONLY allow incoming email from specific addresses. If this pertains to you, please set your email to accept email from liberty4all@ureach.com and slaaonline@yahoo.com, so that you do not miss these reminders or other matters of business handled via email.

At 10:07 EST, Vicki began the meeting with a moment of silence, then opened the floor the the first item of
Old Business.

Old Business:
1. Approval of minutes of meeting found at http://www.angelfire.com/on/slaa/minutes/030715.html for July 15, 2003.

Vicki asked the room if there were any additions or corrections to the minutes as read. Marabel said she had no changes, and then Steve moved to accept the minutes as presented on the website, with Osiyeza
seconding the motion. Vicki states that the minutes are approved as read and not needing a vote.

2. Irv B., SLAA Internet Committee (CIC), responded to last May's reminder about our business meeting with an invitation for us to join the SLAA-FWS Internet Committee. In turn, he would provide minutes to our selected member. Would we like to participate in this committee, and if so, who would be the contact person? (While tabled twice, last month we discussed having a new officer position to facilitate this matter.)

Vicki opened the floor for discussion on this matter.

TimF reminds, “This item has been tabled twice, but last month there was considerable discussion on it.
Sometimes we have a lot of conflicting opinions. Last month (to recap) it seemed that the general consensus was in favor of establishing a new officer position, to be an intermediary between the #SLAA Online Group and not just the CIC, but also S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services, but we seemed to agree to give it a month to let the idea sink in (or for further questions or comments). I fully support a new officer position, personally. I think that it would be an opportunity for yet another person to provide service work (which is sobering and a tool in recovery). If we agree to this, based on group conscience, I would suggest that we make the term co-incide with our other officer postions, meaning 7/1 through 6/30, so the new person would have a slightly shorter term then those in the future. Those are my thoughts.”

Vicki responds, “I agree with Tim about a new officer position and the timing of that position to handle this service work. Maybe the nominations can be held over a few weeks and then voting over the next few weeks? Plus a definite job description for this service worker.”

Marabel in agreement asks, “I also agree with Tim about having the new officer position, and having the timing of that position to be in line with the other officer positions. I also agree with having some kind of job description drafted before the election and having the voting over the next few weeks. Who would be the "selected member" that he/she would provide minutes to?”

Vicki responds to Marabel’s question with, “Are you asking who the contact person is with the other group Marabel (SLAA-FWS Internet Committee)?”

Marabel replies, “Sorry...I had to read the thing again. I believe it is Irv B. to whoever we select..sorry (I had to reread the agenda :P)”

Vicki asks Tim, “Tim, is that true?”

Tim said “Yes”. Then Tim takes the floor to give more information on the position.

“A couple of things. First, *originally* I thought that this contact could fall under the wings of one of the existing officers. Cathy, at last month's meeting, was the one that suggested it be a new officer position...
just wanting to give credit where credit is due. But after she suggested this, I really liked it for a number of reasons...
1) another person has a service opportunity
2) it is part of delegation (less work for existing officers)
3) SLAA-FWS stays *more* informed about us as a vital group on the globe”

Tim continues, “Having said that, this could go on at great length - so let's try to keep it simple.
*IF* we move forward with a motion to establish a new officer position toward this end...I'm hearing "what are the duties"…let me quickly share the original email that caused this item of business:

To: TimF <email suppressed>

Subject: Re: #SLAA2 Business Meeting Thu-15-May
From: "Irv B" <email suppressed>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:55:14 -0600

Greetings Tim

Thanks for including me on your list. I'm Irv B and I'm the chair of the Computer Committee for the FWS.
I'd like to know more about how you protect your sessions for login and how you are sure that you have SLAA people (keep triggering content out).

Thanks -- and thanks again for your assistance.

If you or someone else on the 'virtual' panel would like to join the committee, I'd VERY much welcome that. In turn I'll post minutes, etc to your selected member.

Thanks
In Serenity,

Irv B.

That was regarding the email. It just so happens that Irv B is *also* the Chairperson of the SLAA Interfellowship Committee (the committee that ties SLAA, SCA, SAA, and SA together on behalf of S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services), so I would suggest that this new officer interface with Irv B and also S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services, keeping abreast of the happenings in those two committees (perhaps also the Diversity Committee) and also update S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services about any of our meeting changes.”

Vicki then suggests, “Maybe the fine details of a job description can be done by the officers on a date set next week through emails and maybe people can volunteer for this position by emailing slaaonline@yahoo.com or be nominated by someone else over the next few weeks. It could be asked of all Ops to announce this service position during the meetings. Maybe this initial nominating can end on August 31 with voting taking place the first week of September…just ideas.”

Jamie-s asks, “Are there prerequisites regarding qualification, I mean, time of sobriety OR computer skill?”

Vicki answers “I don’t know…does anyone else?” She “looks” to Tim and asks, “Please share with us Tim.”

Tim responds, “I would think that this would be in the same 'pool' as the three officers (other then Chair and Co-Chair), meaning, 30-days *recovery* time (not necessarily sobriety time)...but that, too, is up to group conscience.”

Vicki asks if there is any more discussion or ideas on the matter, then reposts the item of business to the room.

Tim makes a motion, “I move that we graciously accept Irv B's offer to be included in the voice of the S.L.A.A. CIC by establishing a new officer position that will *also* have responsibilities to contact S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services of any meeting changes and, if time and reciprocity permit, a voice with the S.L.A.A. IFC and S.L.A.A. DC (Interfellowship Committee and Diversity Committee, respectively) with the term being 7/1 through 6/30... and that we further seek to entertain nominations by the end of August, and that we further seek to fulfill the position and let the appropriate parties know by the end of September.”

Glenn throws up his hand for a question.

Becky responds, “I second the motion.”

Glenn asks a question, “Could I ask a quick question before we vote on the motion? What, precisely, would this person do? Sounds like they would sit on two committees and exchange meeting minutes. Have I got that right?”

Vicki responds, “If I may and someone else can if they want to…”

Tim replies, “I’ll try (if Becky isn’t sharing now), and Vicki says that Becky isn’t sharing now. Becky waits and listens. Vicki notes that “Becky sure is patient.” Glenn says, “so is Glenn.”

Vicki continues, “I’m figuring that maybe the officers can help with coming up with the duties for this selected person....can’t do nuthin’ about that Glenn.” Vicki then asks Tim to share.

Before Tim can answer, Glenn asks, “So...do I understand then that we have moved, and are about to vote, on an officer position for which there aren't any specific duties yet?”

Tim answers, “ A couple things.
1) Unlike us having a monthly meeting, the S.L.A.A. Committees don't meet as often, they meet in person annually. Other business is handled occassionally by email and phone conference-calling.
2) The invitation from Irv B is not entirely clear. As I read it, he is willing to make us privy to their committee's minutes, not necessarily have a voice in the committee, so more of "awareness" as I see it.
3) Irv is also in the IFC, so I think being in touch with him would do our group well by having a voice in both directions -- even though I really perceive it to be a VERY informal voice.
4) I would just like to see the new officer *also* be the party that communicates to S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services changes in our meetings (as a part of the delegation of service).”

Vicki asked Glenn if he still wanted the floor, and Glenn said, “No...I think I understand a little better. (not much better, but enough). Thanks Tim.”

Vicki asks Becky if she would like the floor, and Becky takes the floor, responding with, “Just long enough to second the motion on the floor with the added information, representation on that committee even without voice is like participating on a level higher and (older I think) than our own. My experience in 12 step meetings is that we will benefit greatly and it will help us on many issues due to the greater group (organizational processes and wisdom), so I second the motion.”

Vicki asks, “What added information would you want included with the motion, hhope?”

“None, just my big mouth wishing to say more than I just second the motion. LOL.”
(Smiles from Vicki, Tim, Marabel and Glenn).

Vicki then says, “Ok, we have a motion and a second on the floor. The motion as I have figured it out is ...unless Tim can do this faster than me...”

Glenn “starts the clock”.

Tim volunteers, “Shall I?” Marabel smiles and and says “Double dog dare ya.” Glenn “apologizes for having such a hard time being serious at meetings.”

Tim moves, “I move that we graciously accept Irv B's offer to be included in the voice of the S.L.A.A. CIC by establishing a new officer position that will *also* have responsibilities to contact S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services of any meeting changes...and, if time and reciprocity permit, a voice with the S.L.A.A. IFC and S.L.A.A. DC (Interfellowship Committee and Diversity Committee, respectively), with the term being 7/1 through 6/30, and that we further seek to entertain nominations by the end of August, and that we further seek to fulfill the position and let the appropriate parties know by the end of September.”

Vicki replies, “I move that we graciously accept Irv B’s offer to be included in the voice of the S.L.A.A. CIC by establishing a new officer position that will *also* have responsibilities to contact S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services of any meeting changes, and if time and reciprocity permit, a voice with the S.L.A.A. IFC and S.L.A.A. DC (Interfellowship Committee and Diversity Committee, respectively),
with the term being 7/1 through 6/30 and that we further seek to entertain nominations by the end of August, and that we further seek to fulfill the position and let the appropriate parties know.”

Glenn “stops the clock”.

Vicki says, “There it is twice J.”

Glenn says, “Tim wins.”

JohnC asks, “I have a procedural question...procedure that is..:). It is my first time at this business meeting. By the way, my name is John and I am a recovering sex and love addict. Who may vote at this meeting? What are the voting requirements?”

Vicki welcomed John and responded, “Far as I know everyone can vote. Everyone can vote can’t they?”

Glenn answered, “Ubergoober votes that everyone can vote.”

Vicki says, “Alrighty, back to the motion.”

Tim answers John, “Hi, John (we dispense with the typical Hi's and Thank You's during business meetings) - and I concur with Vicki - ANY and EVERY member may vote (and, frankly, ARE ENCOURAGED TO DO SO).”

Vicki asked if there was any more discussion on this motion.

Glenn asked, “So if we vote…is there gonna be e-chad?” which brought an LOL from John.

Vicki then said, “Voting time for this said motion, please vote + for yeah, - for no, # for sustained.

The motion passed with eight “yea” votes, two abstentions and one mysterious symbol, which is determined to be an additional abstention, for a total of three abstentions at this point.

Glenn notices an “x” and tilts his screen 45 degrees to read one of the votes.

Vicki asks Syncrolyx “What is that ‘x’?”

Glenn then smacks his forehead and tells himself to shut up. Marabel laughs, Jamie says “90 degrees”, and Glenn says, “nope…45”.

Vicki asks, “I’m wondering about the majority vote here?”

JohnC said, “I’m from West Palm Beach, Florida. Maybe we should do a re-count?? Just kidding J”

Vicki laughs, and Syncrolyx says, “I thought it was for abstain?”

Vicki answers, “I had the # for that one. Do you object to this motion syncrolyx? Can you live with this motion being passed syncrolyx?”

Syncrolyx says, “Something’s messed up with my scroll bar.”

Vicki asks, “Do you need to see the motion again?”

Tim as an aside says, “Rob – sometimes with Java, you need to type /clear.”

Syncrolyx said, “I can’t read what’s at the bottom of my screen!”

(At this point of the meeting, Marabel notes that JohnC, Marabel, TimF, Vicki, Deanna, hhope=Becky, Laron, Steve, Syncrolyx and Ubergoober=Glenn are remaining).

Tim brought a point of order to the floor. “Long ago, we established that business meetings run 90 minutes with no new motions after 75 minutes...and we are quickly approaching that moment. We have 3 items pending in old business and 1 item in new business. I move that we move item #6 (from new business) to the top of the stack at this late hour.”

(Marabel note: Item #6 of New Business on the agenda is as follows, “6 TimF sent an email to 71 operators on 6/16 (and a reminder 6/24) requesting they reply with availability for meetings, so that a new schedule can be prepared (who leads; who greets; who's back-up). 31 of 71 have responded. Of the replies, some were willing to take on two slots and some could not commit to any meetings at this time. We have 22 meetings, and therefore need 66 slots covered based upon existing guidelines. Currently we can cover about about half of those 66. But we have not yet heard from over 40% of the operators and just added quite a few since the June emails were sent. With group conscience, let's consider: 1) holding off one more month on announcing a schedule; 2) sending a third email to the operators that hadn't replied; 3) sending an email to the newer operators explaining the schedule and asking for their input, and 4) considering changing the "guidelines" from requiring three trusted servants to just two trusted servants -- a leader and a greeter -- and dispensing with having a back-up trusted servant scheduled. [This paragraph updates what was announced "announced" at the last two business meetings, which also included: At the August business meeting, TimF is planning on announcing the new schedule and the meetings that are not adedequately covered cannot exist according to the provisions of our current minutes from years back. It would be sad to have to eliminate meetings that have existed for our membership.]”).

Glenn agrees. “Let’s get it on then! J Turbo meeting!” Glenn then puts his hand up for a comment.

Becky says, “Go Tim,” then laughs at Glenn.

Vicki asks, “Is there is a second so we can get to another matter this evening?” Vicki asks, “Yes Glenn?”

Marabel throws a second out on the floor. It is noted by Vicki, then she turns the floor to Glenn.

Glenn suggests, “I’d like to suggest the 4th option, that we only require 2 people.”

Vicki, confused, said, “I’m not sure how that relates.”

Becky asks, “If we move quickly, can we do both?”

Glenn reviews Item 6 and said, “Oh…I thought that’s what we were talking about. See what happens with turbo?”

Vicki resumes, “Ok. So we can address item #6 and also try to clear up this current motion on the floor.”

Glenn says, “After scrolling up, I see we haven’t agreed to move on to #6. I second it.”

Vicki comments, “The motion on the floor has been voted on with a majority except one person who abstains…” (two members had timed out or left, leaving the one holding the “mystery symbol” who was still present).

Glenn says, “Oh…somebody tie my fingers down.”


Vicki notes “Marabel did” (second the motion).

Vicki continues, “Syncrolyx has abstained and I’m not sure how that affects the vote. We need a majority from what I know. 2/3 is a majority.”

Glenn says, “Depends on whether we’re democrats or Quakers.”

Syncrolyx replies, “I change my vote to “+”.”

Tim points out to Glenn “Vicki was referring to the last vote (on item #2) - we now have a motion to work on item #6 (which will make it the last item of business tonight because of time).”

Vicki notes, “You sure made that easier for me to count Syncrolyx. I hope that you don’t have any real concerns regarding it.”

(Marabel notes that the vote for Item #2 is now nine votes and two abstentions. Four members who were originally at the meeting had either timed out and not come back or had left before the vote.)

Glenn says, “Thanks Tim. I see we’re stuck on the procedure for the vote already taken.”

Vicki announces, “The motion on the floor has been passed.”

Steve seconds Tim’s motion to move to agenda item #6.

Vicki then restates the motion that has just passed. “I move that we graciously accept Irv B's offer to be included in the voice of the S.L.A.A. CIC by establishing a new officer position that will *also* have responsibilities to contact S.L.A.A. Fellowship Wide Services of any meeting changes and, if time and reciprocity permit, a voice with the S.L.A.A. IFC and S.L.A.A. DC (Interfellowship Committee and Diversity Committee, respectively), with the term being 7/1 through 6/30, and that we further seek to entertain nominations by the end of August, and that we further seek to fulfill the position and let the appropriate parties know.”

Vicki notes, “We are moving along nicely, don’t worry.”

Glenn says, “The ADD hops up and down on one foot.”

Vicki asks if Tim would like to post item #6 now.

Tim replies, “Before I do so, are there any objections to this?”

Vicki asks, “To the motion of item #6?”

Tim answers, “I moved to make it a priority (and it was seconded), but we didn’t vote to move it to the top.

Vicki says, “Right.”

Glenn “votes that we vote.” Vicki said, “Wait…let’s make sure we know what we are voting on, OK?”

Marabel moved that we vote to move item #6 to the top of agenda for now.

Vicki reminds, “We just voted for the motion, and it was passed. Item #6, which is…I wish it could be posted by someone…”

Tim offers, “Vicki – may I?”

“I don’t have it on my screen,” says Vicki. “Yes please…Tim.”

“Thanks – and sorry for being the control freak,” says Tim.

Glenn muses, “Ubergoober suddenly remembers why he isn’t in politics.”

Tim continues, “Last motion was passed. Now we have 3 items of old business and 1 item of new business. I suggested we move the new business to the top of the stack. That motion (to look at item #6 – made by me) was seconded. Are there any objections?” (Tim casually mentions to Vicki that simply arranging the order of the agenda is a motion in itself, requiring a motion and second and vote). Motion is to look at #6 NOW (before we close). All are encouraged to vote. Please type + for yes; - for no: x for abstain.”

Eight votes are yes.

Tim asks if anyone in the minority strongly objects, and there was no answer, so Tim goes on to restate Item #6. The Item is as follows:

“TimF sent an email to 71 operators on 6/16 (and a reminder 6/24) requesting they reply with availability for meetings, so that a new schedule can be prepared (who leads; who greets; who's back-up). 31 of 71 have responded. Of the replies, some were willing to take on two slots and some could not commit to any meetings at this time. We have 22 meetings, and therefore need 66 slots covered based upon existing guidelines. Currently we can cover about about half of those 66. But we have not yet heard from over 40% of the operators and just added quite a few since the June emails were sent. With group conscience, let's consider: 1) holding off one more month on announcing a schedule; 2) sending a third email to the operators that hadn't replied; 3) sending an email to the newer operators explaining the schedule and asking for their input, and 4) considering changing the "guidelines" from requiring three trusted servants to just two trusted servants -- a leader and a greeter -- and dispensing with having a back-up trusted servant scheduled.”

Tim notes, “Glenn is exiting, suggesting agreement with the fourth part of this.”

Tim continues, “I feel remiss in NOT getting a schedule ready by now. I hoped to have this in place by the time I transferred the Chairpersonship over to Vicki, but only heard from 30% (now up considerably). We also added quite a few new trusted servants in the last 60 days. I feel that by exercising ALL FOUR points in that suggestion, we can sustain ALL 22 (now 23 meetings). The suggestion to eliminate the requirement for a back-up trusted servant came from at least three emails (and my personal thinking), so it is NOT just a whim. I also feel that the meetings have run smoothly in many slots when a "scheduled" trusted servant was not present and that a back-up trusted servant is NOT necessary for two reasons; 1) it makes the leader and greeter feel *less* obligated to be present, (and) 2) anyone may step up to the plate (fulfilling HP's desire for this program to work). So...to KISS, changing our "official policy" of THREE required TS's to TWO required TS's for any given meeting seems very plausible imho.”

Marabel comments, “I agree with all four points, especially point four. Many meetings have gone well with just two TS’s.”

Steve shares, “I think that canceling any of our meetings would be a terrible shame, and I further believe that it is unnecessary at present. I attend many daytime meetings, at least 5 per week, often more, and there is always enough support for effective meetings. I agree with all of Tim’s points, except that I believe only one, and not two ops are required for a meeting. As an example, today's 4:30 PM ET meeting. I arrived at 4:30, the only person in the room, rather unusual ...but 4:35 three others showed up, none of whom were ops . I lead and watched the door , and two of our members needed to share very badly. I am very grateful that the meeting was available, notwithstanding the fact thay only one op was present.”

Vicki shares, “I like the idea of rotating chairs myself. This means that whoever is there is chairperson and people can naturally figure out who wants to chair. It would be nice if the meetings could be so simply done that scripts were easily available so that people could be chairs just like in f2f meetings. I do understand the problems with making a schedule and greatly appreciate Tim F for countless hours of work. I just hope that in the future, with more people attending meetings online, we can make it easier to be an op as seen and be very flexible with scheduling...but I also realize that someone does need to have the 'key' for the door so to speak.”

Becky takes the floor. My personal experience in sister face to face 12 step meetings, so I am assuming it the same in this case, is that if the meeting looses the core members, usually comprised of secretary and treasurer and group service representative, these are the ones committed to come, no matter what.
( Forgive my terms, they will not probably match your experience, but the idea i am conveying is the same.) If there are not some people who are committed to a meeting the meeting will not stand, though I would rather that not be the case. I have seen it here also, regrettably when it was me who wasn't showing up as op. So I have a question, do we still have time to entertain a motion, and if so is it too early to make it? (Becky fears time running out).”

Tim shares, “I have a LOT of things swimming in my mind - forgive them if haphazard.
1) Becky - while we cannot move onto new business, we are on this (although past time) - so no easy answer.
2) If I were running things, I would regroup, restate, and table for next month (but I'm not running).
3) Vicki, it would be great if ANYONE could run meetings
4) that *IS* soon a possibility now that we have our own server -- even though this was defeated in the past
5) I concur that I would HATE to see meetings end!
6) to present a comparison...when a NEW room wants to start here on StarLink-IRC.Org., they want details of the "owner" (Chairperson, in our case), but for a NEW room, they want SEVEN ADDITIONAL SUPPORTERS. That is their way of knowing that if they "create a new room" it won't disappear in a month or ten. In OUR group, we've asked for THREE OPERATOR'S to say they are committed for that very same reason.
7) Now, a year or two or three later...
the Noon and 4:30 meetings are still running OK without the TS's behind them, so HP is doing his/her work
Somehow it all seems to work in the end.
8) What I personally see as the real issue is having a room with no TS to run scripts, so a newcomer arrives and the room is has 3 or 8 members and NO ONE to lead, and that can paint a bad image! The image can be lasting, and THAT is what I hope to avoid.
9) So in saying all that...I hope that we maintain a policy of strict requirements for the establishment of NEWmeetings, but I also hope we relax the EXISTING policy for existing meetings (so that NO meeting has to be cancelled).

JohnC makes a comment not related to the motion on the floor:

“I feel very committed to this meeting here. I however am feeling a little uncomfortable with the length of this business meeting. I was told it would be over at 90 min. I feel committed, because I am fully committed to the Anorexia meeting that I am helping to start next week. Therefore, I will stay to the end of this meeting. However, I just wanted to express my discomfort with the length. I mean this very respectfully, and do not wish to step on anyone's toes. If I did I'm sorry.”

Vicki notes, “Thanks John, your thoughts are appreciated and also respected.”

At 12:00 AM EST on August 16, Vicki brings up this point: “I would like to do just what Tim requested of this item #6...it hasn't received the proper time and discussion due to the late time it was addressed in. It was moved up from new business though to first order of business in next month’s meeting. People who have wanted to be here for the full discussion of this agenda item can be here then. I request that this item of business be tabled until next months meeting.”

Becky asks if this is a motion. Tim responds by seconding it.

Vicki states, “There is a motion to…please be patient, I’m tryin’…table item #6 and second to that motion. Is there now a motion to adjourn the meeting?”

Becky says, “Yep, I make it.” Marabel also moves to adjourn, and JohnC seconds. Vicki notes, “We have a first, second and third.”

JohnC and Becky send “+”, and Vicki asks, “Do we need to vote? Don’t think so.” JohnC smiles.

Tim mentions, “Motions to adjourn need no vote.”

“Let’s say the Serenity Prayer,” says Vicki, and Becky says, “+ to the first and + to the second” and laughs.

Tim says, “But the Serenity Prayer is always a nice touch.”

Meeting is adjourned with an “Ok it’s over” by Vicki at 12:03 AM EST on Saturday August 16, 2003.