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Session Start: Tue Mar 06 21:50:53 2007
Session Ident: #slaa2
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<Lynn> Well, shall we get started.....
<Lynn> God, please set aside everything I think I know about myself,
<Lynn> The Steps, Recovery and YOu.
<Lynn> Please help me to have an open mind
<Lynn> So that I may have a new experience
<Lynn> and discover the truth.
<Lynn> Amen
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<Lynn> Agenda
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> I. (A) Reading of Minutes - slaaonline.org/minute.html
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<Lynn> (B) Approval of Minutes
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> Each member will have one opportunity to speak for three minutes on each item on the agenda. Is everyone in agreement with this?
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> II. Old Business (A) Susan's report on meeting schedule status
<Lynn> (B) Ken's Report on Guideline Committee
<Lynn> (C) Alex: Questions regarding shares that include illegal activities.
<Lynn> (D)No one has volunteered to be Webmaster or Co-Web so suggest posting a banner in the room stating our need for these positions to be filled.
<Lynn> (E) Discussion about alternating the business meetings every other month to allow the members from other time zones to be able to attend.
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> III. (A) Treasurer's Report - slaaonline.org/money.html
<Lynn> (B) Approval of Treasures report
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> IV. New Business
<Lynn> a. New Ops? SoLou
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> b. Website proposal
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> Serenity Prayer
<SoLou> yes to New OP
<Lynn> Ok....shall we please go to read the Minutes as posted
<Lynn> Reading of Minutes - slaaonline.org/minute.html
<John_M> hld on please
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<Lynn> Go ahead John'
<evan> ;)
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<John_M> http://slaaonline.org/minutes/feb.07.txt
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<John_M> minutes passed 6-0-1
<Lynn> I move that the Minutes be accepted - so moved
<BillH> second
<John_M> ohh
<John_M> hehee
<John_M> my bad
<Lynn> Each member will have one opportunity to speak for three minutes on each item on the agenda. Is everyone in agreement with this?
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<Lynn> So moved - thank you
<John_M> 3 minute share each passed 7-0-0
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<Lynn> [22:03] <Lynn>
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<Lynn> [22:03] <Lynn>
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<Lynn> [22:03] <Lynn> II. Old Business (A) Susan's report on meeting schedule
<Lynn> .
<Lynn> [22:03] <Lynn> II. Old Business (A) Susan's report on meeting schedule
<Lynn> Since Susan is not here....
<Lynn> we will table this item again.
<Lynn> Ken's Report on Guideline Committe
<Lynn> John...can you speak to this item please.
<John_M> Simply put, no progress has been made
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<John_M> done
<Lynn> Are you and Ken still willing to work on this committee?
<John_M> I cant speak for ken
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<John_M> I am willing to give if someone wants to help. If there is no offer of assistance I would move to dismiss it at this time
<John_M> done
<Lynn> Anyone willing to work on this committee?
<John_M> may I make a quick statement?
<Lynn> OK...then I will speak with Ken about it.
<Lynn> Yes
<evan> guideline committee?
<John_M> I do believe the basic premise was to come up with a questionaire that folks could download and then fill out and email back to slaaonline.org
<John_M> and thats all it was about was to create a questionaire
<John_M> done
<Lynn> NO speaking out please unless you have the floor.
<Lynn> Any further comments?
<evan> !
<Lynn> 8,12 Thank you 4,8 evan 8,12 - you have the floor.
<evan> what guideline committe?
<evan> questionare about what?
<evan> done
<John_M> !answer
<Lynn> John go ahead
<John_M> ty
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<John_M> back when the bans were re-instated, it was voted on and accepted after ken proposed to review guidelines to get folks input from the group. The idea was to create a questionaire to help guide the group as to what is more acceptable etc for the groups guidelines. This would potentially allow more input as to how the guidelines are structured or even exist.
<John_M> done I think
<John_M> ? :)
<evan> !
<Lynn> Go ahead evan
<evan> thanks john
<evan> done
<Lynn> Any further discussion?
<Lynn> Ok..then we will go back to Susan's report on the speciality meetings
<Lynn> 8,12 Thank you 4,8 Lotus 8,12 - you have the floor.
<Lotus> Hey all Susan Here
<Lotus> I have no new information to report
<Lotus> done
<Lynn> I would like to make a motion..
<Lynn> !
<BillH> 8,12 Thank you 4,8 Lynn 8,12 - you have the floor.
<Lynn> I move that all speciality meetings be removed from the website.
<Lynn> done
<John_M> second
<Lynn> Discussion?
<Lynn> 1,0 ALL are encouraged to vote. Please type 13 + 1 for yes; 13 - 1 for no; 13 x 1 for abstain.
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<Lynn> So moved, thank you.
<John_M> Motion passes to remove specialty meetings from website 7-0-1
<Lynn> (C) Alex: Questions regarding shares that include illegal activities.
<John_M> !
<Lynn> yes John
<John_M> since this is the second month in a row that alex is absent I would like to motion to remove this from the agenda
<John_M> done
<Lotus> second
<BillH> second
<Lynn> 1,0 ALL are encouraged to vote. Please type 13 + 1 for yes; 13 - 1 for no; 13 x 1 for abstain.
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<Lynn> So moved
<John_M> Motion to dismiss alex's issue from agenda passes 7-0-0
<Lynn> (E) Discussion about alternating the business meetings every other month to allow the members from other time zones to be able to attend.
<art> !?
<Lynn> Go ahead Art
<art> Thx..would like to comment on D please...
<art> website position...
<art> OK?
<Lynn> Sorry, we need to follow the agenda
<BillH> !
<art> thought that was next?
<Lynn> This is what is next....the rotation of the bus mtg
<John_M> no
<John_M> d is the website
<John_M> and you skipped it by mistake
<John_M> the webmaster and coweb
<Lynn> ] <Lynn> (D)No one has volunteered to be Webmaster or Co-Web so suggest posting a banner in the room stating our need for these positions to be filled.
<Lynn> [22:03] <Lynn> (E) Discussion about alternating the business meetings every other month to allow the members from other time zones to be able to attend.
<Lynn> So excuse me....
<art> np
<Lynn> I missed about posting a banner
<Lynn> Discussion re the position or banner?
<art> !
<Lynn> Go ahead art
<art> thx lynn...
<art> i may be interested in the position as web master or co,...
<art> i have professional experience designing and managing..
<art> websites for non profits and businesses..
<art> with no authorship rights on non profits,
<art> my designs are clean, functional, attractive, however,
<art> want to look at the job after discussion later in this meeting,
<art> and after examining technical aspects that may be required.
<art> done.
<Lynn> Further discussion...thanks Art.
<Lotus> thanks Art
<Lynn> There is a required sobriety time frame of I believe six months....
<Lynn> but since we are in need of someone qualified to do this position...
<Lynn> I would like to propose that since Art is an OP that we accept his offer.
<Lynn> Any discussion?
<art> !
<evan> !
<John_M> !
<Lynn> Go Art
<art> Tx..would like offer to be tentative, as would like to see the discussion we have in this meeting about the website, it would help me understand job, since a good...
<art> website reflects the intentions of the entire group.
<art> done
<Lynn> Thanks
<Lynn> Go ahead evan
<evan> well, im grateful that art is willing to consider the position, i would also like to bring up, principles not personalities, so if the requirement is six months, there probably is a good reason for that
<evan> and perhaps i dont know it
<evan> but we should either make a change in core policy or stick to with what is already in place
<evan> thanks
<evan> done
<John_M> ty evan
<Lynn> Thanks evan....go ahead John
<Lotus> thanks Evan
<John_M> ok... ty
<John_M> I became co-web master with less than 6 months of sobriety..
<John_M> but we also had someone as webmaster with more time..
<John_M> however...
<John_M> we have neither at this time...
<John_M> and some general maintenance is needed...
<John_M> I am willing to work with art to clean up the current site if he choses to accept perhaps co-web interim.
<John_M> also
<John_M> that I suggest for the group protection
<John_M> that anyone..
<John_M> who is to do work recieves an email from slaaonline.org that states any work for this site is free of charge to the group and that it is also stipulated that all rights to claims of work for the group belong soley to the group
<John_M> that person(s) who help are to retun a reply email with that message in the body with the words Yes I agree to the above
<John_M> it may not be binding but to establish intent.
<John_M> thanks
<evan> !motion
<Lynn> Go ahead evan
<evan> id like to make a motion that we change the policy of being webmaster, from 6 months sobriety to having ops and approved by a majority in a business meeting
<evan> done
<John_M> ty evan
<Lynn> Anyone second this?
<BillH> second
<Lynn> 1,0 ALL are encouraged to vote. Please type 13 + 1 for yes; 13 - 1 for no; 13 x 1 for abstain.
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<Lynn> Motion carries
<John_M> mostion to change the policy of being webmaster, from 6 months sobriety to having ops and approved by a majority in a business meeting passes 5-1-1
<Lynn> thanks John
<evan> !motion
<John_M> Hold on please evan
<John_M> an Point of order?
<John_M> !P.O.
<Lynn> Evan the motion has carried
<Lynn> Is your point in regards to this motion?
<John_M> to the webmaster change....
<John_M> its a simple oversight. We might want to change teh co-web as well for consistency
<John_M> done
<Lynn> Go ahead evan
<Lynn> Evan?
<evan> id like to make a motion...
<evan> that anyone..
<evan> <John_M> who is to do work recieves an email from slaaonline.org that states any work for this site is free of charge to the group and that it is also stipulated that all rights to claims of work for the group belong soley to the group
<evan> <John_M> that person(s) who help are to retun a reply email with that message in the body with the words Yes I agree to the above
<evan> <John_M> it may not be binding but to establish intent.
<Lynn> Seconder?
<John_M> second
<Lynn> 1,0 ALL are encouraged to vote. Please type 13 + 1 for yes; 13 - 1 for no; 13 x 1 for abstain.
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<Lynn> Thanks evan
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<Lynn> Motion carries
<John_M> Motion mentioned above to be writen in email passes 7-0-0
<art> !motion
<Lynn> Go ahead Art
<art> That a website design be interactive and shown to members of the governing body for input, prior to publication...and..
<art> that it be approved by a majority vote of this board.
<Lynn> done?
<BillH> second
<art> done
<Lynn> This is not part of the agenda at this time.
<art> k. apologize.
<Lynn> We can discuss it when we talk about proposed changes to the website.
<Lynn> (E) Discussion about alternating the business meetings every other month to allow the members from other time zones to be able to attend.
<Lynn> any discussion?
<BillH> !
<Lynn> Go ahead Bill
<John_M> hiya Bill
<BillH> i think this is a great idea and we should try it for a limited time
<BillH> and see if the turn out is ok
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<Lynn> done?
<BillH> sorry, done
<Lynn> thanks Bill
<Lynn> anyone else?
<John_M> !
<Lynn> Go John
<John_M> ty Lynn
<John_M> I think this is a wonderful idea to be all inclusive to those who otherwise cant attend a business meeting
<John_M> we have many overseas that just might be able to add input that would potentially guide us in a loving, recovering way. I hope to hear from thier wisdom.
<John_M> done
<Lotus> !
<Lynn> Go ahead Susan
<Lotus> I'd like to suggest that we hold the meeting on a weekend...
<Lotus> so those who work during the week can attend
<Lotus> otherwise most folks who can attend the night business meetings...
<Lotus> won't be able to make it..
<Lotus> as the morning business meetings will be during normal business working hours.
<Lotus> done
<Lynn> Thanks Susan
<evan> !
<Lynn> Go ahead evan
<evan> sorry, thought is gone
<evan> thanks
<evan> done
<Lynn> :)
<Lynn> Thanks evan
<Lynn> Anyone want to make a motion?
<John_M> !motion
<Lynn> John
<John_M> ty Lynn
<John_M> Motion to have a day time weekday meeting on the first tuesday of the month begining next month (april) ......
<John_M> and to alternate every other month.
<John_M> done
<Lynn> !Friendly amendment
<art> 8,12 Thank you 4,8 Lynn 8,12 - you have the floor.
<Lynn> I would like to see it be held on a weekend as well for the reasons already stated by susan.
<Lynn> done
<Lynn> John, do you accept the amendment?
<John_M> no I dont
<John_M> it doesnt have to be seconded eitehr
<John_M> :)
<art> !
<Lynn> Go ahead Art
<art> tx..i'm unfamiliar with time zone implications for us /asia etc...
<art> has somebody made a chart or researched the time/day realities,
<art> also in terms of the day shift for ex. australia mon is our sunday, etc.
<art> done.
<Lynn> Thanks Art
<Lynn> Any further comments?
<evan> !
<Lynn> Go ahead evan
<evan> i havent seen anything in the slaa email or requests from anyone to change the meeting, if it aint broke....
<evan> thanks
<evan> done
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<Lynn> Thanks evan
<Lotus> !Answer
<Lynn> Go ahead Susan
<Lotus> To answer Art's question
<Lotus> the time zones....
<Lotus> the Europe folks are about 8 hours ahead of the US
<Lotus> give or take
<Lotus> so most folks in the US will be in the middle of a work day..
<Lotus> when the 12 EST meeting takes place
<Lotus> which is when the Europe folks can attend the biz meeting
<Lotus> the ideal day for australia to attend it sounds like would be Sunday here which would be saturday there? done
<Lynn> Thanks Susan for clarify that for us.
<John_M> !
<Lynn> Go ahead John.
<John_M> jsut to clearify...
<John_M> europe is 6 hours ahead...
<John_M> that means englad, france, germany, the netherlands etc. are 6 hours ahead of est. (new york)
<Lynn> done?
<John_M> australia is ahead of us also not behind... its 14 hours ahead. so a sunday at noon time est for us is monday 2 am for them
<John_M> done
<John_M> thats 2 am in the morning for australia
<Lynn> !
<art> go ahead lynn
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<Lynn> Well, I don't think that we are going to be able to accommodate everyone...
<Lynn> I would like to go for Sunday at noon every other month.
<Lynn> done
<Lotus> thanks Lynn
<SoLou> !
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<Lynn> Last chance for discussion please.
<Lynn> Go ahead Jeff
<SoLou> Have we gotton feedback from anyone requesting a more convenient time 4 Bus. meeting?...
<Lynn> !answer
<Lynn> Yes, I have
<SoLou> and if so could we allot time during a regular meeting to address this or other issues?
<Lynn> done?
<SoLou> so as to get direct feedback
<SoLou> done
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<Lynn> Anyone wanting to know of changes should attend the business meetings...
<Lynn> that is why we hold them.,
<Lynn> done
<John_M> ! motion
<Lynn> Go ahead john
<John_M> motion to table this and all remaining issues due to hour and attendance.
<evan> secon
<evan> d
<Lynn> Second
<Lynn> 1,0 ALL are encouraged to vote. Please type 13 + 1 for yes; 13 - 1 for no; 13 x 1 for abstain.
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<SoLou> What about new ops?
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<John_M> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<John_M> hheheehe
<SoLou> thats why I came
<Lynn> OH....yes
<John_M> someone was late.
<John_M> lol
<Lynn> Jeff came just to be approved as a new OP
<John_M> :)
<Lynn> Jeff, can you tell us how long you have for sobriety..
<SoLou> 8 mos
<Lotus> :)
<Lynn> Great....and the reason for wanting to be an OP?
<SoLou> to increase service activity
<Lotus> :)
<Lynn> Thanks Jeff...
<Lynn> I move that we accept Jeff's offer to be an OP with the regular probationary period..../
<evan> second
<Lynn> and that he must OP three meetings this month and report that to Ken.
<Lynn> 1,0 ALL are encouraged to vote. Please type 13 + 1 for yes; 13 - 1 for no; 13 x 1 for abstain.
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<Lynn> Motion carries
<Lotus> Congrats Jeff
<John_M> SoLou accepted as an op 5-0-0
<Lynn> Serenity Prayer
<SoLou> thank you
<Lynn> God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
<Lynn> Courage, to change the things I can, and
<Lynn> The wisdom to know the difference.
<Lynn> Amen
<Lynn> Thanks to everyone for coming tonight and for your participation.
<Lotus> Thanks for Chairing Lynn, great to see you all. take care (((((Roomies))))))
<art> thanks for leading lynn, john for tracking, all for open discussion.
<Lynn> Welcome aboard Jeff!!!
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<SoLou> ty again
<SoLou> Do I have to get scripts?